I'm going to come right out and say that I have a burning hatred for people who are incapable of understanding logical fallacy.
It's true.
Like, I can understand not knowing the term for whatever it is you're doing wrong, but instinctively you should know when you're leaving huge gaps in argumentation.
(Okay, maybe I don't hate the people. I'm just frustrated to no end with what they do.)
For instance, false analogies. They abound. Everywhere. And I point it out, and they DON'T UNDERSTAND. Apparently when people don't understand things, most of them don't TRY TO UNDERSTAND, they walk away dismissing me as ignorant or wrong because they DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
Which also pisses me off. If I don't get what you're saying, I'm going to figure out what the heck it is you're saying, even if it takes me forever. I don't walk away thinking "oh, I must be right, because I don't understand what she said". THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
Here's some paraphrased conversation from earlier today.
Moriah: Well, I could have taken all standard classes and easily gotten a 4.0, but instead I chose rigor and learning. I didn't have to. We get the same diploma.
***: That's not going to pay off when you go looking for jobs, though. Or getting into college.
Moriah: Me and my 3.7 with rigorous classes to colleges seems to be equal to a 4.0. There's not really a difference other than that the other way is way easier.
***: I had to list my classes to get a job.
Moriah: Your college classes, not your high school classes. That's not the same thing.
***: Yes it is.
...*insert internal fury here*...
Moriah: I knew a kid who got into Harvard or something just by being good at sports. He took all standard classes. It's the same dang diploma.
***: Well he exceeded at standard classes. And colleges want athletes.
Moriah: THAT'S MY ENTIRE POINT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE HARD CLASSES TO GET INTO COLLEGE.
***: He was an all around good student, though.
Moriah: No, standard classes are stupid. You don't learn anything in them. He wasn't a good student by virtue of not challenging himself, but he got into Harvard. All he did was sports.
***: Yes he was. Cause he was an athlete. He was well rounded.
Moriah: I was awesome in debate, in a touring choir, had 7 years of theatre under my belt... am I not well rounded? And I ALSO took the hard classes.
***: Athleticism is what they care about. That's what makes someone well rounded.
*Moriah goes into room, throws something, and screams into the abyss*
I hear things like this from people EVERY DAY and every day they walk away from such conversations continuing to say things like that because they just IGNORE EVERY SINGLE POINT I EVER MAKE.
I swear to you all, I'm going to have to marry someone who was/is a successful debater/lawyer/philosophy major, or debate them in something before we go on a second date, just so I can stand to be around them. Living with people forever is a hefty contract to sign.
End rant.
-Moriah
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ReplyDeleteWhen that happens to me, I start to wonder if the person I'm conversing with is yanking my chain. When I realize he or she is being deadly serious, I agree with every point my conversational partner makes. It's much easier than trying to make them see sense.
ReplyDeleteINSERT EXAMPLE:
Me: Hey, the hydrochloric acid doesn't go into the solution until after we do step three.
Other: It's all good. It won't react with anything in there until we do the last step.
Me: So it won't react with the sodium hydroxide and become neutral?
Other: No.
Me: Hahaha, you're funny, trying to trick me like that!
Other: What?
Me: Oh. I see. Well, you're right. I'll watch over the beaker, you grab some of the other stuff we'll need during the lab...
Other: Okay.
Me: * hurriedly does steps the right way*